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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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is trepidation of young men

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler join me as i

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examine

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unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations of remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained

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live on beyond explanation i'm your host

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lon strickler

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coming to you from the spectral shadows

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of gettysburg pennsylvania

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uh before i introduce my guest i'm going

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to go ahead and

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read an account

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actually that i posted today you know

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this is

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this particular account's been out there

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for a while

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i think uh i saw it for the first time

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but i i just got this feeling it's been

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out there but

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so if it sounds familiar uh

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just excuse me for that uh this was uh

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this was a uh an account by a first

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nations

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member um had this strange encounter at

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his grandparents

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home on the reserve on a reservation

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he's cree

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so it was a cree reservation i do

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believe was probably in alberta

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um and it was 1994 i think

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so anyway he states i'm a first nations

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from a reservation in canada i grew up

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in different reserves with different

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family members now this happened when i

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was seven years old my sister and i were

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visiting

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our grandparents house the adults

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decided to go to bingo

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and they got the eldest cousin to

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babysit everybody his name was corey and

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he was 16.

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my grandparents home had a few trees

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around their home

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where they had planted and it was mostly

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which they formed i said we were outside

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all day long i said my cousin corey was

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sitting on the patio

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as we were all jumping on the trampoline

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and he was keeping

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islands i went out i went inside

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and i came on back out jumped off the

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edge of the patio

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onto the trampoline i was telling

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everybody on the trampoline to move

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uh as i was about to jump but they were

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on the field so i looked towards the

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field as well

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and what we saw

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are two things coming things i'm saying

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now two things coming towards us

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in the field the field is about a mile

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but you could see two huge black things

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hopping in our direction

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they come up uh then down like a snake

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taking a peek in perfect unison together

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i called corey and pointed towards the

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he told us all to get inside the house

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it was they were looking at

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and uh so we did as you said

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my sister was beside me crying and my

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cousin was holding my other little

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i got up to the front door and corey was

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circling around the house

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to the neighbors because our phone had

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as they peeked in they looked like

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but shaped like humans their face wasn't

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they had long nails were crocodile like

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skin and walk standing upright

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they wore long black clothes cloaks or

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like that on themselves uh they stood at

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the window for only a few seconds then

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we all went running to them crying

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telling them what had happened

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my grandparents were very traditional

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she had lived on another reserve my aunt

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it not long later my uncle was upset

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he drove along the field looking for

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whatever they were

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to go to their house

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those things were behind our

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grandparents house we could see them as

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i always thought that this was a dream

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but then at one family gathering i

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mentioned it to everyone who

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so basically that's the whole story now

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i i don't know what this was a reptilian

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or something that degree i have no idea

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but i thought that was pretty

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interesting

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so tonight i want to welcome biologists

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and paranormal

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researcher wild trees to arcane radio

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now he has a degree in biology has

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published several rece

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has published research in a

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peer-reviewed journal

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co-written a college science lab manual

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as an extensive field research

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experience and

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has had extensive field research

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experiences in texas

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colorado alaska montana wyoming and

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he specializes in animal behavior

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and microbiology now wild trees can be

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found on youtube facebook and instagram

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as deep wild tech and he is on a weekly

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so wound trees thanks for coming on the

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thanks for having me on a big fan well i

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appreciate that

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so uh then you can you probably know you

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can expect about anything

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that's what i wouldn't want anything

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less yeah well that's cool

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so uh how about giving me an

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overview of your you know what you do as

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far as science

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and scientific method real

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field research anything that goes along

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with that yeah sure

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so um you know i specialize in biology

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and that's a branch of science it

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studies life

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so basically every aspect of life and so

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you know this perhaps the smallest unit

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of life is just one individual cell

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and so you and i are made of billions

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trillions of

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little living cells and then the largest

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unit of biology is really our planet you

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full of life so that's basically the

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scale of biology today it's basically

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from a tiny cell all the way to the

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other planets so then the scale of

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uh even larger so it's a pretty big

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now what i do is i i work in a

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i kind of brainstorm research projects

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i have to write a proposal and then i

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maybe other scientists to say

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before you start this is a good plan of

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the funnest part it's really fun

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science has an introduction

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other biologists or scientists will look

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rarely but sometimes they'll say this is

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then the goal is that this publication

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and whatever you discovered it becomes

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humanity's knowledge you know

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other people can use it to uh come up

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advancement in technology or they could

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but this is basically how uh humanity

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uh expands their knowledge base this is

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process that i described it's possible

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uh and not do this for instance if

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you're the if you're the government

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do what i just said

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but you're not going to publish it

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you're going to keep it to yourself

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because there's no incentive

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you probably paid all this money and so

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this method that i described as academic

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method this is how the world

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expands their knowledge base basically

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uh an independent group or you work for

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uh right now i work for the independent

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uh you know i'm i'm quite sure it's

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pretty involved and

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if you're if you're relying on somebody

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else's money i think you probably end up

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having to have a little bit of pressure

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and have to come up with some pretty

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good thesis and and uh

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results by doing that yeah you're

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absolutely correct and then um

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that's why i i try without getting too

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given too much detail about my personal

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work uh you know i try to

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self-fund my work self-funded because

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then you do have freedom

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but i you know this is why this what you

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just touched on this is why

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you know mainstream science has not

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accepted the paranormal it's basically

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because of this funding thing okay

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so as i just laid out if the world is

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going to learn about the paranormal and

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the world is going to accept the

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paranormal

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it has to be through this academic

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avenue so i believe paranormal research

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has been done

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with private companies and with the

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government but as you remember as i said

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those results are not published those

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are private results

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so the government can do whatever

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amazing research they want

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a private company like spacex or

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microsoft can do whatever

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amazing research they want but you and i

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are never going to find out about it

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i mean unless we work for the company

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okay so then so why isn't the academic

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world

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doing paranormal research well it

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basically is because of funding

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so these projects they don't have to

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but they can take you know millions of

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dollars

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and hundreds of hours of work to do okay

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and where does that money come from well

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in the united states

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it comes from research grants for

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example we have the national science

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foundation which is a uh

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it's a tax it's a it's funded by our

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taxes

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but they give out lots and lots of

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research money

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but the people that give out this

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research money they're the ones that

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specify what the money is used for

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so they're the ones that say this is for

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cancer research this is for studying

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fruits this is for studying uh fish

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whatever

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so as long as none of them say this is

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for paranormal research

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there is no incentive for an academic

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scientist to do paranormal research

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because the money's not there

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they're not going to waste their time so

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this is kind of a vicious cycle and this

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is why we're at

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the place where we're at today well then

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that's understandable i mean you know um

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i i know there are many instances for

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individuals who are scientists that they

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do not

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really want their themselves to be known

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as far as delving into the paranormal

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yes so in your case how did that happen

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yeah it's uh well i first got interested

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in the paranormal as a little boy

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and perhaps uh lon if you grew up in

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north america perhaps

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experience so when i was a little kid

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every library i went to

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at the public library or at the school

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library they had a tiny little section

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of paranormal books

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but they always had one you know it was

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maybe 10 books bermuda triangle

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cryptids ufos that was really the first

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inkling

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or indication that there was something

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more going on

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in the world that's really how i got

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into it and then um what really kind of

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jump started my

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um my uh my work in the paranormal

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is that i was uh i was in graduate

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school getting a master's degree in

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biology and i got sick for like two

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weeks

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so i started just watching netflix and i

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saw steven grier's documentaries on

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netflix his ufo documentaries

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and then it'd been a while since i

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looked into the paranormal stuff but at

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this time i already had all this

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scientific training

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i knew how to value i knew how to

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evaluate claims

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think critically i knew i had already

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conducted studies myself

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so then i started digging into it and i

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was like oh my god you know there is a

403
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lot of evidence here

404
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there is something definitely going on

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and that's what started my

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uh interest in the paranormal and and

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honestly as a scientist like

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this is amazing like this is like there

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is so much uh possibility for like

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new discoveries uh you know

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just uh publications just uh

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opportunities to change the world

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within the paranormal you know because

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when you're a scientist you know

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it's very competitive you're you know

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you're trying to you know

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get the newest discovery but a lot of

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these fields are over saturated

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there's already a lot of gen there's a

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lot of geneticists already

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entomologists you know ichthyologists

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virologists

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all these mainstream subjects there's a

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lot of sciences there so it's a little

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bit harder

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to come up with something new but

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there's this whole domain of

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a paranormal research that just no

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scientists have touched so if

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it's done delicately and it's done

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smartly

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then it's like it's a huge opportunity

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uh

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done but

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it does have to be done delicately and

436
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it has to be done correctly

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for it to work so um

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for you to get involved in something

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like this

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by being a scientist i'm quite sure

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you've had some experiences that

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probably

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kind of uh linked you linked together

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and got you thinking about

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you know what's the connection between

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science and

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supernatural yes i have i've had i have

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had experiences uh

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i guess i guess i'll just quickly name

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some of the the broad things that

451
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happened to me

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uh when i was like 10 years old i felt

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like an invisible hand

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tried to stop me from closing a door you

455
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know it was like on my wrist and i just

456
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i looked down and i was like

457
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this feels just like a human hand this

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does not want me to close this door and

459
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i was 10 years old i was just like

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okay and i kind of pushed against it i

461
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closed the door anyway

462
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and it smashed my mother's fingers in

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the door and she had to go to the

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emergency room

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and so i was like okay so an invisible

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hand was trying to prevent me from

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hurting my mother on accident so

468
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that's odd i mean it was a positive

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experience in that it was trying to help

470
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but um you know that's a very odd

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experience that i can't explain with

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conventional science

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um i also um when i was 19

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you know i guess nine years after that i

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was sleeping on my couch

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during the daytime i woke up and i saw

477
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my two younger sisters

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which were kids standing next to me and

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i thought it was

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staring at me while i was napping

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but then like i focused my eyes and it

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turns out there were like three little

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grey aliens

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classic gray aliens i think they had

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little spacesuits on

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they were very childlike as soon as they

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noticed that i was awake

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they freaked out like children and they

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ran down the hallway

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and i went back to sleep now that

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experience that experience

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hey it could be could have been a dream

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could have been real

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uh the jury's still out in my my mind

495
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but the

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all things about that experience is that

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at the time i'll tell you right now man

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i had my

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a girlfriend at the time and i was 19.

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i had just started college i was playing

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video games i was not thinking about

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ufos at all you know

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so it wasn't like it was in my mind and

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it didn't feel like sleep paralysis

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either because i wasn't like uh

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i didn't feel paralyzed i felt very calm

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you know i felt relaxed i was just an

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odd experience and

509
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i will say thank god these aliens that i

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saw looked very non-threatening

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thank goodness because i've heard of

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some terrifying looking ones they look

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like children

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so so then uh you know another thing

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that happened was

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uh i guess four years ago i saw an orb

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of light i was with a research assistant

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i was in graduate school again

519
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and just above the trees we saw like a

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round uh

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super white ball of light that just

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streaked across the sky

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and it had like a tail like a trailing

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tail of light

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we both saw it and um yeah i guess that

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could be classified as an

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orb it's definitely a ufo it was

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unidentified i haven't been able to find

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what it could possibly be

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um it was night time it didn't make any

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noise

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there wasn't anybody around there i

533
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looked in the field over which it was

534
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at and i didn't see like fireworks or a

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meteorite i didn't see any evidence

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and then i guess another just the last

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major one is i was at a research station

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once again this was oh this was exactly

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three years ago okay exactly three years

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ago

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i went to a biological research station

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and i stayed there for the entire month

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of december and some of january and so

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the park service had a house i could

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stay in this big two-story house

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so i stayed there the whole time by

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myself and it was very lonely

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it was very cold it was beautiful it was

549
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like a one horse town

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when you're at the front porch you could

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just see every star in the night sky

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um every day i would wake up you know

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eat breakfast i would go out in the

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woods and take pictures

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i just had a really fun time but at

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night it became very lonely it was a big

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house very lonely

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my only friend and the only other living

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thing in that cabin was a roach

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that lived in the bathroom which i

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befriended and i was so happy to see it

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i would give it mangoes and

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that was just me and his roach but

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anyway one night i received a phone call

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it lasted probably like five minutes i

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believe that whatever called me were two

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non-humans

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you know i one thing started talking to

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me and the sound of the voice

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it did not sound like a human it did not

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sound feminine

572
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,400
it did not sound masculine it just

573
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,320
sounded bizarre

574
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,919
started talking to me and i i probably

575
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:25,280
sounded like an idiot i was probably

576
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:25,679
like

577
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,760
what's going on and then another one

578
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:33,360
came on the on the phone like it's a

579
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:35,760
buddy so it was like a three-way call

580
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:38,080
then they started talking to each other

581
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,120
and uh

582
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:41,440
they started laughing at me and i was

583
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,960
paranoid i was like man

584
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,320
i was like these are aliens and they

585
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,320
want to abduct me tonight

586
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:48,880
and so i was very freaked out now i wish

587
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,360
i would

588
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,679
if i could go back i wish i could have

589
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,360
been friendlier and more open to the

590
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:54,559
experience i wish i could have laughed

591
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,039
with them

592
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,039
and gone with the flow but unfortunately

593
00:21:01,190 --> 00:20:58,799
i was very paranoid

594
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:01,200
around that time i realized that they

595
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,240
were talking

596
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,880
with english words so every word was

597
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,480
english but they were using the words

598
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,600
incorrectly

599
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:09,280
i've since i've since learned that this

600
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,640
is a common thing

601
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,840
like ufo occupants uh sometimes people

602
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:15,520
will talk to them and they look

603
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:18,320
human a little bit off but they describe

604
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:20,799
the same language so this is a weird

605
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:23,760
uses of english anyway so then i was

606
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:24,159
like

607
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,600
i got defensive i guess

608
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:30,400
i i did not want to get abducted um so

609
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,600
what i did is uh

610
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:34,159
i've been in similar situations in in

611
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,760
this world in these woods okay

612
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:37,919
i will say these woods are probably it's

613
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,240
called the big thicket national preserve

614
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,480
this is one of the most biodiverse areas

615
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:44,080
in the entire world

616
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,520
and i will say there's a strong

617
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,919
connection between biodiversity and

618
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,520
paranormal activity

619
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,799
obviously you're going to probably see a

620
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,400
lot of cryptids in an area that has a

621
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:53,919
lot of biodiversity

622
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:57,120
so this area has is known for landed

623
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:57,679
crafts

624
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:00,640
landed ufos there's a there's a road

625
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,280
there

626
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,799
it's called ghost road and it's just

627
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:04,480
known for spheres of light

628
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,919
just everybody knows about it's got a

629
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,840
big uh marker

630
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:10,159
there's bigfoot sightings in this area

631
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,960
so

632
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,320
there's just a lot of paranormal it's a

633
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,760
paranormal hot spot so i had my own

634
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,600
paranormal experience

635
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,520
um but yeah but i've almost died at

636
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:19,120
least twice in this area one time i got

637
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:20,320
lost in the woods

638
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,600
i could have easily drowned or been

639
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:24,000
bitten by a snake uh one time i got

640
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,960
stuck in some

641
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:26,480
quicksand which i didn't even know was a

642
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,320
real thing i was uh

643
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,840
collecting these water beetles on the

644
00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:31,600
side of this big river

645
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:34,080
the river had like really long sandy

646
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:34,880
banks

647
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,799
i was there with my research assistant

648
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,720
which was a was a really petite girl

649
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:40,640
very small girl this is important

650
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,280
we're walking down and i guess i i

651
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,960
stepped in an area that had the right

652
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,120
concentration of water and sand

653
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,280
so i immediately sunk down to my thighs

654
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:51,600
basically and sand and i was just like

655
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,799
immovable

656
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,080
and then i looked at my research

657
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,919
assistant and she's bouncing up and down

658
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,600
the quicksand like nothing's wrong

659
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,880
and as i was panicking i realized that

660
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,159
she did not weigh enough

661
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,960
to break the surface tension of the sand

662
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,360
so

663
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:08,480
she was fine but not me and then i was i

664
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:09,200
was like

665
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,400
because she's having a great time and i

666
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:14,159
don't want to sour the situation so let

667
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,400
me try to get out of this myself so

668
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:18,240
i eventually the other thing that was

669
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,559
helpful is i had on waders you know i

670
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,320
always wear waders in the woods so these

671
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,520
went up to my chest

672
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,360
so i wasn't directly in it i had like a

673
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:26,880
little shell

674
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:29,039
and eventually i had to just inch my way

675
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,159
out i mean like pain

676
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:32,080
i had to calm down first i could i i

677
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:33,440
could see how easily if you were to

678
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,080
panic

679
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,679
you would just make it worse and you

680
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:37,200
would if it was alone if i would have

681
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,840
been alone

682
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,760
and if i would have panicked it was game

683
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,440
over man but um

684
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,760
i inched my way out of it and i did find

685
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,720
a new uh

686
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,159
beetle on the side of there i found a

687
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,320
new uh locality record so i did make a

688
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,440
small discovery

689
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,760
anyway that's to say that i have been in

690
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,120
danger in this area so that's

691
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,120
i got in that that mindset with these

692
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,880
aliens

693
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:58,880
so i i what i did is i remembered the

694
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:00,320
last thing they said to me

695
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,039
which i believe my memory is hazy but i

696
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:04,400
believe that the closest thing i could

697
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:05,279
remember

698
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,440
is in this weird alien voice they kept

699
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,360
asking me they were asking me

700
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,840
where's the bucket leroy where's the

701
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:13,200
bucket leroy

702
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,200
very odd so i i memorized that phrase

703
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,600
and i asked it to them so i started

704
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,200
asking them i was like

705
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,960
asking them hey where's the bucket i

706
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,640
started calling them leroy

707
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:27,520
and then i got uh more heated i opened

708
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,279
the door and i went outside

709
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:30,880
i was just shouting into the darkness it

710
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,559
was cold i had the phone i was just like

711
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,320
where's the pocket leroy

712
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:36,640
but eventually like they freaked out and

713
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,840
they hung up on me

714
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,360
so they thought i was the weird one

715
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,279
which is very interesting

716
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,200
and as far as i know i did not get

717
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:45,520
abducted that day

718
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,440
but yeah those are some of the major

719
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:50,480
paranormal stuff that has happened to me

720
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:54,880
so um so you being a scientist

721
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,559
and you've had experiences

722
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,520
do you believe that you were either at

723
00:25:04,510 --> 00:25:03,360
the right place at the right time or are

724
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:04,520
you someone who's

725
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,640
predisposed the paranormal activity

726
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,480
it's a really good question really good

727
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,840
question because i've heard both

728
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,480
arguments you know i think some of these

729
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,480
were

730
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,120
yeah i don't know i okay like like say

731
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,360
the one with my mom

732
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,600
in the door i don't think i was at the

733
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,720
right place at the right time i think

734
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:26,640
somebody something was watching

735
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,400
me the one with the research station

736
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:31,520
that might have been the right place at

737
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,720
the right time because that was a

738
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,080
paranormal hotspot

739
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:36,320
and i didn't mention this but in that

740
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,120
same area

741
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,720
around the same time someone shot a

742
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:40,240
video of a ufo

743
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:41,919
it's still up on youtube so it was like

744
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:43,760
the same period i was there

745
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,799
so it seems like um i was having uh

746
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,320
i was just in a paranormal hot spot and

747
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:50,559
they just whatever they keyed into me

748
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:53,120
decided to have a conversation with me

749
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,640
so i guess to answer your question

750
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,799
i think it's a little bit of both but

751
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,640
because i have had multiple paranormal

752
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,919
experiences

753
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,000
i i think yeah maybe there is a

754
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,840
trajectory there there's a pattern

755
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,080
that it seems to target me another thing

756
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:07,520
though it could be that paranormal stuff

757
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:08,880
happens to everybody

758
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,960
all the time but only certain people

759
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,039
notice it and they don't recognize it

760
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,480
right they don't recognize it yeah

761
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,000
that could be what's happening as well

762
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,320
yeah i think that there's a lot to

763
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,320
that you know i have been lucky enough

764
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:23,120
to have a few things happen to me over

765
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:24,080
the years and

766
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,279
um because of that

767
00:26:31,110 --> 00:26:30,080
i i think i'm somewhat predisposed and

768
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,120
as far as getting

769
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,400
into the paranormal eventually and then

770
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,520
writing and doing more research i

771
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:40,559
i think i'm not been much more lucky

772
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:42,799
enough to be able to get

773
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:46,320
certain cases certain events

774
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:49,760
that kind of seem to drop in my lab yeah

775
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
and uh for what why that happens i

776
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,320
really don't know

777
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,559
but uh it is interesting you know i've

778
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:58,799
had people ask me a lot about that you

779
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,520
know

780
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,520
this this stuff seems to be attracted to

781
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,159
you well that may very well be

782
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:07,279
but uh you know i mean that that just

783
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:08,880
you know i really don't have an answer

784
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:12,080
to that yeah

785
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,000
so um as far as

786
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:18,320
doing paranormal research and being a

787
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,760
scientist

788
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,000
what's the goal i mean are you trying to

789
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:24,880
find a connection between the two

790
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,840
trying to understand more about one or

791
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:28,480
the other

792
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,480
and how to um how to use it

793
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,799
i mean basically yeah that's a good

794
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,760
question

795
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:38,399
so look to me i don't see a distinction

796
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,279
between

797
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:41,840
the paranormal and science i don't see

798
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,360
it there's not a there's not a

799
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,760
distinction between them okay so so let

800
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,640
me explain let me

801
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,880
so first of all i think every paranormal

802
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,240
thing that i've heard of it can be

803
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,880
it can't be described and understood

804
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,799
through the process of science

805
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,399
if you're a scientist and you say that's

806
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:00,399
not possible you are lazy

807
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,480
you are a bad scientist i'm sorry so

808
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,320
um if look i'm gonna tell you something

809
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,520
about science and

810
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,440
for you and anybody watching it if you

811
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:11,120
only learn one thing please remember

812
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:12,640
what i'm about to say okay

813
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,559
so i'm just gonna describe what science

814
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:16,000
is and what it's not

815
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,399
and once again i'll just say right now i

816
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:20,640
don't care if you like science

817
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:21,919
my goal is not to convince you that

818
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,159
science is great if you hate science you

819
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,679
should hate science but

820
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,600
my goal is to educate you to what

821
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,799
science is

822
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:31,039
so that if you hate it you could at

823
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:32,240
least know what it is you could make

824
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,159
bigger better arguments okay so

825
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:35,679
i'm not trying to evangelize science

826
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:37,039
here i just want people to understand

827
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,039
what it is okay

828
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,320
first thing i'll say about science is

829
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:42,159
that science can be thought of as a as a

830
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,640
tool

831
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,840
okay science is benign it does not have

832
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:46,559
a

833
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,679
know

834
00:29:01,669 --> 00:29:00,240
a spoon can help you eat delicious ice

835
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:01,679
cream or you could

836
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:03,200
you know do bad things use your

837
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,039
imagination but that's what science is

838
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,919
it's a tool the way this tool works the

839
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
way science works is basically

840
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,200
you could ask a question to science and

841
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,799
it will give you an answer

842
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,080
you could ask it anything you know you

843
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:18,159
could ask it you know how can i get out

844
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,720
of jail

845
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,640
sooner you know you could ask it how can

846
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,159
i make a million dollars

847
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,960
how can i make this boat more fuel

848
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,279
efficient how can i get to the moon

849
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,279
i mean whatever question you want you

850
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,039
can ask it to science that's the purpose

851
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,360
of science and you will get an answer

852
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,880
now the important thing is you have to

853
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:37,440
be unbiased unbiased means that when

854
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,720
you're asking the question when you're

855
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,000
forming your question

856
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,000
you really cannot have a preconceived

857
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,320
notion you cannot believe

858
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,880
the answer before it happens because

859
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:48,159
science will give you an answer and you

860
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,120
may not like it

861
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,679
and you have to accept it if you're not

862
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:53,200
if you're not unbiased in the whole

863
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:54,159
science process

864
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:56,960
falls apart okay so just to summarize

865
00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:57,760
real fast

866
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,159
science is simply a tool that can be

867
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,720
used to answer any question you have

868
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,799
in order for this to work correctly you

869
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,159
have to be unbiased

870
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:07,919
when you go in you cannot have any

871
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,600
preconceived notions okay

872
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,360
so the last thing about science is

873
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,440
there's two components of science

874
00:30:17,350 --> 00:30:14,640
this is the part that i want people to

875
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,360
memorize there's two things to science

876
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,840
that have to be there so remember

877
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,640
science

878
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,279
two things the first thing is in order

879
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,480
for science to work

880
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,960
you have to have repeatability

881
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,159
repeatability

882
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,919
know you you say something you come up

883
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,960
with discovery

884
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,559
someone else has to be able to do it

885
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,840
consistently you have to have the

886
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:37,039
repeatability

887
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,320
now i hear people say that the

888
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,240
paranormal you know it lacks

889
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,919
repeatability you know what i say

890
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,600
yeah sometimes it does but you're being

891
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,520
lazy if you think that you cannot get

892
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,960
repeatability on the panel

893
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:49,279
you can just be more creative be a

894
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,159
scientist

895
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,240
so okay so the first thing you have to

896
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,159
have repeatability in science okay

897
00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:56,559
remember that repeatability the second

898
00:31:02,350 --> 00:30:59,000
thing is you have to have

899
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,360
falsifiability falsifiability

900
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:05,039
falsifiability means you have to have

901
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,159
the ability

902
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,480
to prove something false to say

903
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:10,000
something is not true

904
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,760
okay so a lot of people make this

905
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:13,279
mistake they think that science is about

906
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,159
proving something

907
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,799
right like science is used to prove that

908
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:17,360
this is

909
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,720
right that's incorrect science is used

910
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,279
to prove

911
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:25,039
wrong falsifiability

912
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:27,120
okay so science has to have

913
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:29,039
repeatability and it has to be able to

914
00:31:31,750 --> 00:31:29,840
prove something

915
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,760
wrong it has to have falsifiability so

916
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,360
let me give you this falsifiability

917
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,880
concept is a little confusing but let me

918
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,399
explain it okay

919
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,240
so here's an example that i learned in

920
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,320
in college okay

921
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,799
here's a claim okay here's a claim you

922
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,159
go to your buddy's house and he says

923
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,080
there's a there's an invisible dragon

924
00:31:49,990 --> 00:31:48,720
living in my garage okay so there's

925
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:50,000
there's a claim okay

926
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:51,679
so you're like let me use science to

927
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,919
discover if there's a really invisible

928
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,600
dragon in my buddy's garage

929
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,320
science is perfect for this okay so then

930
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,159
like i said science you ask a question

931
00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:02,880
so the question would be is there a

932
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:05,360
invisible dragon in my friend's

933
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,640
garage okay so now this is where

934
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:10,080
falsifiability comes in

935
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,000
so you're actually not trying to find

936
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:14,080
out if there is a dragon you're trying

937
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,960
to say

938
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,960
can i prove that they're can i prove

939
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,320
that there isn't a dragon

940
00:32:22,710 --> 00:32:20,320
so this is how you do it for instance so

941
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:22,720
let's say you tell your friend okay

942
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,799
what if we uh pour some paint

943
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,399
on the dragon i know it's invisible

944
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:30,080
let's pour some paint on it

945
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,679
right and then we should be able to see

946
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,320
its outline okay and your friend says

947
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,320
no that won't work because the dragon's

948
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,679
got a force field

949
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,519
and it you know the paint will just

950
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:41,760
slide off you're like okay fine that's

951
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:42,000
cool

952
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,720
i can't prove you wrong because you're

953
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,320
saying that the paint will go away

954
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,720
so then you say okay how about this

955
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:51,919
let's put some

956
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,559
flour on the ground and when the dragon

957
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:56,640
moves around he'll leave his footprints

958
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,159
okay then your friend says nope you

959
00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:00,559
can't do that because it hovers above

960
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,600
the ground

961
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,120
okay once again you can't prove him

962
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:05,120
wrong you're lacking falsifiability so

963
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,919
you say okay

964
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:08,320
that's fine dude that's fine okay what

965
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,159
if we use uh like a heat sensor camera

966
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:14,000
and then your friend says no that's not

967
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,360
gonna work because it

968
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:18,080
could modulate its temperature okay so i

969
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:19,760
think you get the point okay

970
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:23,039
that that claim lacks falsifiability

971
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,279
you cannot use science with that claim

972
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,799
because your friend is saying it's

973
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,080
impossible

974
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,960
to prove it does not happen okay so

975
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:32,640
another thing that your friend is doing

976
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,960
is

977
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:34,960
he's using what's called in science he's

978
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,000
using multiple

979
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:38,480
outs multiple outs is the way that

980
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,360
people

981
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,840
it's a method to get out of science okay

982
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:43,360
multiple outs like you always just have

983
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,399
an excuse for everything

984
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,840
here's an example of multiple outs you

985
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,760
know one time i was in college i asked a

986
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,200
girl out on a date

987
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:51,600
she said no i can't go i'm busy that day

988
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:53,120
and i say okay well about the next week

989
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:54,000
she says no

990
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:56,080
i'm doing something else and i say okay

991
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,200
well how about we

992
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:59,039
uh we go a different day she's like no

993
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,480
you know actually i can't leave the

994
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,919
house because i'm taking care of my

995
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,640
grandpa

996
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,159
anyway i kept asking her questions and

997
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:06,080
she just kept denying me she was using

998
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,359
multiple outs okay so

999
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,599
anyway let me summarize it all science

1000
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,560
is a tool

1001
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:14,879
it's not good or bad it is used to

1002
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:15,839
answer questions

1003
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:18,240
any question you have but in order for

1004
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,119
it to work

1005
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,280
you have to be unbiased you have to not

1006
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,480
have an answer in your mind

1007
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,560
you have to accept what the answer is

1008
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,639
and you have to have repeatability so

1009
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:28,240
whatever you discover has to happen over

1010
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,119
and over again

1011
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:31,760
and number two it has to have falsified

1012
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,040
falsifiability

1013
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,480
whatever you're trying to discover you

1014
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:36,159
have to be able to prove it false not

1015
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,040
prove it right

1016
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:40,000
but prove it false that being said i

1017
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,320
think

1018
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,320
almost any claim in the paranormal can

1019
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:43,919
be studied with science

1020
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,079
bigfoot ufos ghosts uh

1021
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,480
i mean on and on all of those claims can

1022
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:51,599
be studied using

1023
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,760
science okay so that is my goal is to

1024
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,839
start making progress with some of these

1025
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,040
questions okay

1026
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,079
and my goal specifically is to publish a

1027
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,520
research paper

1028
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:05,920
that is involved some aspect of the

1029
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,880
paranormal

1030
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,880
now in order to do this uh you have to

1031
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,920
be a little uh

1032
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,160
sneaky not really like i can't just

1033
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,280
publish a paper

1034
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,880
with the name bigfoot in the title

1035
00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,800
sasquash poltergeist

1036
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,440
ghost i i think i have to be a little

1037
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,200
sneakier with the title

1038
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,599
and what i'm trying to say um you know

1039
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,880
some scientists have talked about this

1040
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,520
already like

1041
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:27,119
john alexander i'm sure you're familiar

1042
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,880
with john alexander

1043
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,400
he's worked with the government he's

1044
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,920
worked at skinwalker ranch

1045
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,599
he talked about how he they used to

1046
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,200
publish paranormal papers

1047
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,440
and i believe scientists are publishing

1048
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,040
paranormal papers right now

1049
00:35:42,630 --> 00:35:41,200
but they're using titles that kind of

1050
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,640
belly or

1051
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,920
obscure their true paranormal content

1052
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,520
it's kind of like it's kind of like a

1053
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,040
tip you know atip

1054
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,119
was a government program and it was

1055
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,480
studying ufos

1056
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,160
but if you look at the name eight tip it

1057
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,000
doesn't say ufo it says like

1058
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:58,800
you know uh anomalous aerial phenomenon

1059
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,839
you know

1060
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:01,440
so that's basically one of the things

1061
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,480
that has to be done when you publish

1062
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,079
paranormal research right now

1063
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:07,359
is you have to you know the title has it

1064
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,720
can't be so explicit

1065
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,800
the content could be about paranormal

1066
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,960
but the title cannot be so explicit

1067
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,800
just so you could get past the reviewers

1068
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,640
basically yeah

1069
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,880
well see now this has been the argument

1070
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,960
within the paranormal

1071
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,320
ever since i've been involved i've been

1072
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,720
around since the 70s doing this sure

1073
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:31,349
and as time has gone on

1074
00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:34,880
i i believe that the scientific world

1075
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,359
needs to be a little bit more

1076
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,560
open-minded about the phenomena

1077
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,990
it's kind of hard to

1078
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,960
prove the phenomena under the guidelines

1079
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:52,640
you just gave

1080
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:54,400
it is hard it is very yeah it would have

1081
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:55,520
it would have been done already if it

1082
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,400
was easy

1083
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,920
sure sure i mean you talk to people

1084
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,240
about bigfoot well you know

1085
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,000
the only way you're gonna find a bigfoot

1086
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,440
or prove a bigfoot

1087
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:07,520
is if you do find a body or to find the

1088
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,040
actual dna

1089
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:12,320
to where it can be sequenced and be

1090
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,200
understood

1091
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:14,960
i mean it just can't be put out there

1092
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,200
that it's an unknown being

1093
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:19,520
uh and that's it i mean there's got to

1094
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:20,240
be some

1095
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,800
something tangible there you're right

1096
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,599
absolutely right

1097
00:37:29,870 --> 00:37:27,200
and and you being a biologist you would

1098
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,880
want there to be some type of

1099
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:31,280
carbon-based

1100
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,480
proof that this is a living thing

1101
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,800
now if it's if it's something other than

1102
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:42,480
that

1103
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:48,880
turns out to be an ammonia-based

1104
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:51,760
alien or something like that they've got

1105
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,560
a problem

1106
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:54,720
but i mean but it's going to be harder

1107
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,920
to prove it

1108
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:58,640
and worst of all it's going to be hard

1109
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,359
to

1110
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:02,480
uh convince some people

1111
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,880
that it's actually some type of being

1112
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,960
no you're right i mean those are 100

1113
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,240
true claims okay

1114
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,200
so my response to you is this um the

1115
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,960
study of uh

1116
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:16,640
paranormal phenomenon using the

1117
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:18,640
scientific method i would say

1118
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:21,920
it's in its infancy infancy as far as i

1119
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:22,880
know perhaps it's

1120
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:25,520
it's fully developed in the secret world

1121
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,920
but

1122
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,160
as far as publicly it is in its infancy

1123
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,599
okay so unfortunately

1124
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,760
we got to crawl before we could walk

1125
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,520
okay so

1126
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,320
you have to be from my perspective you

1127
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,920
have to be a little selective

1128
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,599
of what project you attempt to start

1129
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,920
first for instance proving bigfoot

1130
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,079
that's probably that's probably that's a

1131
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,200
really big project that's

1132
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:47,359
a little bit too ambitious unfortunately

1133
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,320
definitely for me

1134
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:51,119
i have my ideas of how i would do it but

1135
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,599
um

1136
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,920
it's a little bit uh ambitious so i have

1137
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,119
a list of four things

1138
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,880
categories that i could go over that i

1139
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,560
think would be good starter projects

1140
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:01,359
for my specific skills that i have but

1141
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:02,320
okay

1142
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,680
let me tell you about the bigfoot thing

1143
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,280
because this is another opportunity for

1144
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:06,640
i used to teach college so i love

1145
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,440
teaching so

1146
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,520
a little opportunity for me to teach

1147
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,760
about cryptids and about bigfoot okay

1148
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,200
because what you said was correct but

1149
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,040
let me expand on it okay

1150
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,440
so you know the world and scientists

1151
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,520
they know that there is a giraffe

1152
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,359
they know that there's a zebra even

1153
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,800
though they've never seen a zebra

1154
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,200
everybody accepts that there's a zebra

1155
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,599
so how do we how do we get to this point

1156
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,720
with bigfoot or with a lake monster you

1157
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,320
know how do we get there so

1158
00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:34,720
this is how it works in science if this

1159
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,680
is cryptids

1160
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,920
if you have a new organism what happens

1161
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,599
is you know a scientist

1162
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,800
goes out and they find the organism now

1163
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:44,480
usually like you said they need a body

1164
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,200
okay

1165
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:47,520
so that body is found let's say somebody

1166
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:49,040
just finds a bigfoot body probably not

1167
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:50,480
going to happen but you find a corpse of

1168
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,440
a bigfoot

1169
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,200
which would be which would be the ideal

1170
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:55,200
scenario because i i suspect that

1171
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,160
bigfoot is

1172
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,240
probably more intelligent than humans so

1173
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,680
there's a lot of ethical and moral

1174
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:01,040
questions involved in just killing one

1175
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,760
of them

1176
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,839
but ideal situation you a scientist

1177
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,440
finds a dead bigfoot body

1178
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,119
what would happen then is that body

1179
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,800
would be preserved you probably preserve

1180
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,400
the skin and the bones

1181
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,720
now those skin and bones would be they

1182
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:14,480
would be called a type specimen that's

1183
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,440
what is

1184
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,319
no unscientifically a type specimen

1185
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:20,240
every known animal we know of has a type

1186
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:21,119
specimen

1187
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:25,599
and anybody can go check it out at any

1188
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,240
time

1189
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:28,000
that's how that's why there is no debate

1190
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:30,240
nobody's going to argue about a giraffe

1191
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,079
because somebody will say look there is

1192
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,079
a type specimen in germany

1193
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,920
if you don't believe me go to the museum

1194
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,200
and look at it for yourself

1195
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,359
that's how new animals are discovered

1196
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,640
the other thing that happens is somebody

1197
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:41,920
publishes a paper

1198
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,160
the paper talks about you know why the

1199
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,599
animal is new

1200
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,359
it talks about what it looks like it

1201
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,800
talks about where it was found

1202
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,800
the circumstances it was found in it's

1203
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,640
given a new name it's a really long

1204
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:54,000
formal paper i've done this before

1205
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:55,280
because i've discovered a new species of

1206
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:56,000
beetle

1207
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,480
so that's where we have to get to in

1208
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,680
order for me to make some of these

1209
00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:01,440
cryptids but like i said

1210
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:03,680
cryptids are very tricky i suspect that

1211
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,079
many cryptids are highly intelligent

1212
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,800
and i suspect that they have radical

1213
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,760
adaptations

1214
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,359
that make it very difficult for them to

1215
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,520
be caught like first is bigfoot

1216
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,280
i suspect that bigfoot is more

1217
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,640
intelligent in humans

1218
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,920
okay i think there's multiple

1219
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,400
explanations for bigfoot but i believe

1220
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,920
one group of bigfoot is a flesh and

1221
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,119
blood animal i think they're more

1222
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:24,560
intelligent in humans

1223
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,079
i think perhaps they have the ability to

1224
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,920
communicate telepathically i think

1225
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,839
perhaps they have a radical adaptation

1226
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,440
that allows them to form

1227
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,319
portals or to go through portals i

1228
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:38,079
suspect they probably have invisibility

1229
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,119
functions

1230
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,400
i think they're just animals but they

1231
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,160
have all these amazing

1232
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,560
intelligence adaptations which make it

1233
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:45,920
very difficult for us to capture one

1234
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:48,160
it's not like a sea cucumber you know

1235
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:51,280
well let's put it this way now i

1236
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,839
i have seen a bigfoot yeah i've seen

1237
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,960
some i've seen your cup

1238
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,960
i have seen something that i believe was

1239
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,560
a bigfoot i have seen something i

1240
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,560
believe was a winged humanoid

1241
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,599
okay i um

1242
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:05,040
but let's let's just talk about the

1243
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:06,720
bigfoot i saw this thing

1244
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,240
i recognized it i i there was

1245
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,880
it was a physical being you know i heard

1246
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,560
it making noise i heard it doing things

1247
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,920
i said you know i saw the whole nine

1248
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,520
yards

1249
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:20,160
uh i am still not convinced that it's a

1250
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:21,520
flesh and blood being

1251
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:25,760
why because after i saw the bigfoot i

1252
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,440
started getting interested into

1253
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:29,920
why this thing was around okay i have

1254
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,000
heard so many explanations i have heard

1255
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,680
the interdimensional

1256
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:35,920
i have heard the flesh and blood i heard

1257
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,280
every argument

1258
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,200
you know is this thing alien is this

1259
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,880
able to move between

1260
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,079
different realities is it

1261
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,280
able to some types either matches

1262
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,839
vibration to move in and out of

1263
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:52,319
inanimate objects of some you know the

1264
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:53,359
whole nine yards

1265
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:57,040
of course so you know so when somebody

1266
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:58,000
tells you they saw

1267
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:01,520
a bigfoot the only thing they can tell

1268
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,839
you

1269
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,920
is unless they absolutely saw this thing

1270
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,359
disappear

1271
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,599
uh and i have had people tell me that

1272
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,440
but that's all they can tell you they

1273
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,359
saw it

1274
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,480
i do believe there are actual bigfoot i

1275
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,000
do believe there are flesh and blood

1276
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:18,079
bigfoot that live in certain parts of

1277
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,359
the world or in the country in

1278
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,359
particular and

1279
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,359
i i but i think the majority are

1280
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:25,119
something other than

1281
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,560
what normal carbon-based beings on this

1282
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:29,119
planet

1283
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,560
are i think they have an ability

1284
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,960
to do things that we may have had the

1285
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:37,040
ability to do at some point

1286
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,440
and just don't know how to do it anymore

1287
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,760
and that's why we're confused with it

1288
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,920
yeah i agree with everything you said

1289
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:45,760
definitely that's why

1290
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,400
that's why i'm saying that this you know

1291
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,000
you have to categorize these phenomena

1292
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:52,319
and unfortunately bigfoot is it's it's

1293
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,680
like the moby dick

1294
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,480
yeah of a paranormal phenomenon as far

1295
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,920
as proving it scientifically i do think

1296
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:58,960
it's possible

1297
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,920
i will say that one i'm steering away

1298
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:03,359
from that kind of stuff because there's

1299
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:04,960
a lot of ethical questions like i asked

1300
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,280
you

1301
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,599
there's a lot of danger involved but i

1302
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,119
would just say briefly that

1303
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,119
in order i believe in order to catch a

1304
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:12,240
bigfoot

1305
00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,960
okay you basically have to become a

1306
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:18,319
trickster you know

1307
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,520
we always talk about the paranormal

1308
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,800
being a trickster they're always like

1309
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,160
one step ahead of you

1310
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,720
you have to mimic them you your methods

1311
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,839
as a biologist

1312
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,040
you have to become a true you have to

1313
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,280
trick them you have to get really sneaky

1314
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:32,160
uh more sneaky than them at that point

1315
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,800
it becomes

1316
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,640
less like a field biology you become

1317
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:36,400
more like a high level spy

1318
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,440
you know how spies hunt other spies

1319
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,880
that's what you have to become and a lot

1320
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,640
of biologists do not have those skills

1321
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:44,800
i mean spies have those skills once

1322
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:46,319
again i'm not getting into that realm

1323
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,200
because

1324
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,680
of the ethical problems and the danger

1325
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:51,440
call me a coward but i want to be a

1326
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,640
long-lived coward

1327
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,240
at the very least well you know

1328
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:56,160
paranormal research is basically just

1329
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,200
being counted it's just

1330
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,720
counterintelligence

1331
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,520
yeah i mean that's all it is i mean and

1332
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,319
uh

1333
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:04,640
you know i get i get reports all the

1334
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:05,440
time

1335
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:08,960
and i got to figure out

1336
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,760
which ones that i believe in you know i

1337
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,280
give most people the better for the

1338
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:14,480
doubt but of course you're going to get

1339
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,599
a few

1340
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,680
eyeball things that you know you just

1341
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:19,280
think well that's just not going to

1342
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,760
happen

1343
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,240
or i'll put it out there and i'm just

1344
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,520
going to get ridiculed for it

1345
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,560
anyway but i am pretty open-minded about

1346
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,000
this stuff

1347
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,800
uh and and the reason i am open mind is

1348
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,000
because i've had some pretty

1349
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,119
strange experiences in over over time

1350
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,240
i've had um i'm

1351
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,960
intuitive you know i have seen a lot of

1352
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,400
things i have experienced a lot of

1353
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,680
things

1354
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:46,880
uh so i i know there there is a

1355
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,960
different degree of

1356
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,119
i can't i don't want to say life but

1357
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:54,880
there's a different

1358
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,319
uh degree of reality out there

1359
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,440
yes that we just don't understand

1360
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,920
yes uh we call it a lot of different

1361
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:05,440
things

1362
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,599
but like you say sidewise science-wise

1363
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:11,520
it's just going to be difficult to prove

1364
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:14,000
it difficult but not impossible i think

1365
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:15,599
no i'm not saying it's impossible but

1366
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:17,119
it's going to be difficult it is

1367
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:18,000
difficult

1368
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:19,280
like once again it would have been done

1369
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,960
by now if it would have been easy sure

1370
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,760
um

1371
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,200
but if you want to i could get into

1372
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:25,200
these categories and i would love to get

1373
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:25,920
your feed

1374
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,440
so if i if i was to start a

1375
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,720
paranormal project these are the

1376
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,720
categories that i've come up with okay

1377
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,640
number one

1378
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,680
i think it'd be very interesting to

1379
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,280
uh uh studying this idea

1380
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,319
of living ufos that are perhaps

1381
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,680
amoeba-like or jellyfish-like that

1382
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,200
this was described one of the people

1383
00:46:54,309 --> 00:46:51,280
described it was uh ivan

1384
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,319
t sanderson who is a paranormal

1385
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:56,640
investigator who's also a biologist

1386
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,400
he was a he well he's the father of

1387
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,040
cryptozoology basically he's the one who

1388
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,720
besides him and charles work kind of the

1389
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,079
ones that put it out there

1390
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,960
yeah as well yeah he came up with the

1391
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,960
term ultra-terrestrial as well right

1392
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,960
um so i will say i first found out about

1393
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,640
ivan t sanderson through uh

1394
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,280
zelia edgar zelie edgar has a channel

1395
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,960
called just another tinfoil hat so she

1396
00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:19,920
turned me on

1397
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,000
so anyway i think the book was uninvited

1398
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:24,240
visitors a biologist looks at ufos which

1399
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,119
was published

1400
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,400
in 1967. so he describes and he gives

1401
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:30,160
the hypothesis that perhaps in our upper

1402
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,280
absence here

1403
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:33,440
some of these ufos are actually living

1404
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:34,559
animals that are like

1405
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,760
amoeba-like or jellyfish-like now the

1406
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:39,680
reason why this appeals to me

1407
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,760
is because i'm making a little

1408
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,599
supposition but perhaps these things

1409
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,680
aren't too intelligent okay perhaps

1410
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,920
they're not super intelligent and

1411
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,960
they're not going to haunt me for

1412
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,760
several years

1413
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,160
now they could be they could be but yeah

1414
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,599
when i hear the words amiibo like and

1415
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,440
jellyfish like i'm thinking

1416
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,280
okay these are maybe a little more

1417
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,480
benign in nature

1418
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,680
this is more like what i'm used to

1419
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:01,440
studying well let me let me throw this

1420
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,000
out at you

1421
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:04,839
as you're talking about this okay i have

1422
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,280
investigated a phenomena

1423
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,400
that people call or describe as being a

1424
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:12,079
flying manta ray

1425
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,670
bio form yes it looks like it looks like

1426
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:20,800
a manta ray it

1427
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,720
different sizes

1428
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:28,079
sometimes a translucent i have heard of

1429
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:28,800
these things

1430
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:31,280
all over the country mostly in the

1431
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,800
eastern part of the united states but

1432
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:33,760
there have been some

1433
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:37,599
other parts okay uh it's there's no

1434
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:41,280
real rhyme or reason for it uh

1435
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,680
it it looks like the ufo but it's most

1436
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:44,559
likely not

1437
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:46,720
it's i mean it could be ufo it's

1438
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,119
something that's unidentified flying but

1439
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,480
it may actually be biological yes

1440
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:55,359
there there have been other cases i have

1441
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:56,240
investigated

1442
00:49:03,910 --> 00:48:59,920
of higher flying craft that

1443
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,920
seemed to um change

1444
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,640
in shape have different physical

1445
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,040
properties to them

1446
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:12,079
uh as opposed to the standard

1447
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:14,880
nuts and bolts type of craft right right

1448
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,280
so

1449
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,920
yeah i i i do what you're coming from

1450
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,040
here i do believe it

1451
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,240
i and i have had cases as to

1452
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,720
something similar to that i didn't want

1453
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,760
to interrupt you but i

1454
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,800
oh no no i i want you i mean obviously

1455
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:30,000
the whole purpose that came on here i

1456
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,520
i want to get your expertise you have

1457
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:33,280
decades of expertise to me it's

1458
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,079
invaluable

1459
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,520
so by all means please tell me your

1460
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:37,359
feedback okay so the way this project

1461
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,160
would work like

1462
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,720
i'm used to doing surveys of animals so

1463
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,319
one of the projects i do is i somebody

1464
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,920
hires me or gives me money to go in the

1465
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:44,559
woods

1466
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,160
and discover just find every animal

1467
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,839
that's there some of these are very

1468
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,720
hidden

1469
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:51,200
so i would probably you know form a plan

1470
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,200
i would pick an area in the atmosphere

1471
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:55,280
geographically where i want to survey

1472
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,319
and i could probably

1473
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:58,800
send up some balloons or something and i

1474
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:59,440
would have to

1475
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,160
you know tweak the tweak the uh methods

1476
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:03,440
but basically i would just try to do a

1477
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:04,960
survey to see if i could find any of

1478
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,760
these things

1479
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,839
any evidence of them and then i would

1480
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,880
progress from there

1481
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,400
what i like about this project is that

1482
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,000
it's you know i believe

1483
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,000
that there's a lot of well i know for a

1484
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,599
fact there are thousands

1485
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,079
of undiscovered species on this planet

1486
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,680
the most they most likely live in the

1487
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,559
ocean

1488
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,680
under water underground in mountains and

1489
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,440
in our upper atmospheres these are areas

1490
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,880
that humans do not travel

1491
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,480
it's like free real estate of course

1492
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:30,000
there's going to be and i believe some

1493
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,440
of these animals are large and i believe

1494
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:33,760
some of them are intelligent as well so

1495
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:37,680
so that's one idea okay now another idea

1496
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,760
is uh okay the ce5 methodology

1497
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,760
close encounters of the fifth kind now

1498
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:45,680
okay what i like about close encounters

1499
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,800
of fifth kind

1500
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,400
is it has got that one thing i mentioned

1501
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,720
repeatability apparently

1502
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,559
you're able to meditate or follow some

1503
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,079
methods and you could bring

1504
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:57,200
these anomalous lights to you i mean

1505
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:57,520
this

1506
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,800
repeatability so that is something where

1507
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:02,319
i could see that i make

1508
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,520
methods i do trials over and over again

1509
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,960
and it's very straightforward i'm going

1510
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,880
to try to summon these lights and then

1511
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,960
once the lights come you know i could

1512
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,800
check with apps to make sure it's not a

1513
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,800
helicopter make sure it's not a

1514
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,280
craft or a star or a some kind of

1515
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,640
natural phenomenon

1516
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,680
and you know jacques valet you know he's

1517
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,720
talked about this

1518
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:24,800
if you photograph a ufo using

1519
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,240
old-fashioned film

1520
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,720
that those photos are data rich there's

1521
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,839
a lot of information you could get out

1522
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:30,800
of them

1523
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,319
now the potential dangers of ce5 is that

1524
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,800
if they are intelligent beings that

1525
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,680
you're attracting

1526
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:39,599
they could have nefarious intentions so

1527
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,520
it could be dangerous

1528
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,440
but i don't know you got to start

1529
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:46,079
somewhere so ce5 to me seems like it's

1530
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,520
got the repeatability

1531
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,880
and it's something that could provide a

1532
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:51,040
lot of data so that's something i've

1533
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:52,160
been considering as well

1534
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:56,319
okay okay another one is

1535
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,920
okay here's one that i think is probably

1536
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,440
the most likely to occur

1537
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,640
and this is the one that i think you

1538
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,040
give me a lot of feedback so i feel like

1539
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,160
an avenue of paranormal research

1540
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,200
is to start off by helping people who

1541
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,280
are suffering from paranormal problems

1542
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:13,680
okay because i don't want to create

1543
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,280
paranormal problems by like

1544
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:17,520
you know sticking my nose and conjuring

1545
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,400
whatever

1546
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,720
but if somebody is already suffering

1547
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:21,920
from a poltergeist

1548
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:25,119
abductions bigfoot whatever if they're

1549
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:26,480
already suffering and they don't have

1550
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,280
any help

1551
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:29,680
if i could try to help them with my

1552
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:34,870
of that help is that i learned something

1553
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,960
about the paranormal i think that's

1554
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,400
that's another way of doing paranormal

1555
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,480
research um but yeah let's make a

1556
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,920
similar december

1557
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,559
spirit rescue and something i've been

1558
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,079
involved with for years now

1559
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,000
and uh you know i've done remote doing

1560
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,280
as well

1561
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:52,640
and uh you know you can get into that i

1562
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:53,200
mean

1563
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,040
and you will you will discover

1564
00:53:02,549 --> 00:53:00,720
certain aspects um

1565
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,559
the paranormal that you probably haven't

1566
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,040
you really thought about before

1567
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:07,839
yeah and that does happen i mean look i

1568
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:08,240
i

1569
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:17,680
actually

1570
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,520
i i know it did happen now why happen

1571
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,640
you know

1572
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,319
there's a lot of reasons why these

1573
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:28,319
things happen uh

1574
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,760
i'm not saying we have a real uh

1575
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:34,160
real idea what it is what the reason is

1576
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,160
but it there is a reason

1577
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,200
yeah yeah so yeah that sounds like uh

1578
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,240
it sounds worthwhile and um

1579
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:44,240
you have an amazing resource with your

1580
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,599
decades of experience

1581
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,280
you know people know to go to you with

1582
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,839
these cases so you're like a source

1583
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,760
of this information which is really

1584
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,280
great but of course you work very hard

1585
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,480
to get that information

1586
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,079
or to get to the place you are which is

1587
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:57,680
a very respectable

1588
00:54:01,270 --> 00:54:00,720
um okay i guess i have two more things

1589
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,280
uh

1590
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,480
one thing is developing highly detailed

1591
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,079
thought experiments okay

1592
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:08,079
now this is where we could get into the

1593
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,119
risky

1594
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,640
research

1595
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,400
so what i mean by a thought experiment

1596
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,760
is for instance i

1597
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:18,319
have come up with a method of trapping a

1598
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,520
poltergeist

1599
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:22,160
i believe that certain not all but a

1600
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:23,680
minority of poultry poltergeists are

1601
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:24,400
probably

1602
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,640
ability to travel through time

1603
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:30,319
and they probably have the ability to

1604
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,559
teleport and some other things

1605
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,440
so i'm working on a story that's a very

1606
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,680
detailed story on how to trap one

1607
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,240
once again let me say when i say trap i

1608
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,240
don't mean a physical trap i do not

1609
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:43,760
believe a poultry vice can be

1610
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,720
trapped with a physical trap no no no it

1611
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,720
has to be a mental trap

1612
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,799
you're basically trapping it with it's

1613
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,400
um using its desires

1614
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,079
and your intention let me give you an

1615
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,000
example you know one way to trap a

1616
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:57,839
dangerous animal like a tiger

1617
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,200
is you put a cage out with bait

1618
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,119
and it goes in there and it gets caught

1619
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:05,119
and it immediately knows it's caught and

1620
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,000
it freaks out

1621
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:08,160
it gets stressed out and it's not a good

1622
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,440
situation

1623
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,880
let's think of an alternative method to

1624
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,720
catch this tiger let's say you want to

1625
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,559
catch a tiger and you say you know what

1626
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,200
i want to catch him but you know the

1627
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,799
cage that i want to contain him in

1628
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,400
because i want to observe him

1629
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:22,160
i want to photograph him let's say the

1630
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,359
cage is one acre of woods let's say i

1631
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:26,640
want to keep him

1632
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,599
in one acre of wood so what you do is

1633
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,520
you fill that one acre of woods with

1634
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,880
what it likes

1635
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,920
fresh meats fresh water pheromones of

1636
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,960
what it likes

1637
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:39,040
and so basically this tiger could end up

1638
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,160
spending a lot of time

1639
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,200
only in this one acre of woods it

1640
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:44,880
effectively is trapped

1641
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:48,880
because of its desires but it at no time

1642
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:50,640
at no time does he ever realize it's

1643
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:52,079
trapped it has no inkling that is

1644
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:52,559
trapped

1645
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,760
and it's actually it's actually

1646
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:55,920
beneficial to the animal he likes it

1647
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:58,960
and so that's basically how i think

1648
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,559
i would trap a poultry guys with his

1649
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,040
desires

1650
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:05,359
let me let me now let me mention this

1651
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:06,640
now poltergeist

1652
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:10,000
is not a spiritual being a poltergeist

1653
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:11,680
is a thought form

1654
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,280
right that's actually manifested by

1655
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,359
a living being in other words if you get

1656
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,040
into a situation where there's a lot of

1657
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,240
stuff going on

1658
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:24,319
with a family dysfunction

1659
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,870
certain people are able to

1660
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,839
create a thought form yes and that will

1661
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,440
turn into a poltergeist

1662
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,640
uh they rarely realize what they're

1663
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:40,640
doing

1664
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,040
as far as catching one of these i think

1665
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,359
that is possible

1666
00:56:48,870 --> 00:56:47,119
but it would have to be on the same

1667
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:48,880
level

1668
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,000
that this poltergeist is in other words

1669
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,599
it would have to be

1670
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:55,359
it would have to have the same type of

1671
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:56,960
energy level

1672
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,760
that the poltergeist is and as well you

1673
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:01,359
would have to have some influence on the

1674
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:02,319
host

1675
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,040
yes of course and this is why i believe

1676
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:06,319
this thought experiment that i came up

1677
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,359
is very detailed

1678
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,960
i may send it to a select amount of

1679
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,599
people but the reason why this will only

1680
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:13,119
be a thought experiment is kind of the

1681
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:14,000
reasons you said

1682
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,760
i think it's very dangerous it's

1683
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:18,240
incredibly dangerous

1684
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,960
and unethical so i think we can make

1685
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,319
some progress by just making it a

1686
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,440
thought experiment

1687
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:25,359
detailing like i would detail the

1688
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:26,559
methods of trapping it

1689
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,079
and i would walk through what would

1690
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,760
happen through every step

1691
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:31,599
and perhaps that could give us some more

1692
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,000
insight without actually having to do it

1693
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,000
um so that is another avenue is making

1694
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:38,480
these very detailed thought experiments

1695
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:42,000
to generate ideas yeah but um but yeah

1696
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,359
your feedback is invaluable for

1697
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,960
something like that um

1698
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,720
and i guess i'll say the last thing that

1699
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:49,200
i've thought about is um

1700
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,440
it seems like uh ufo occupants uh aliens

1701
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,760
there's a lot of cases where they

1702
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,280
somehow they either have like a little

1703
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,280
wand or a little stick they point at you

1704
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,359
and they just immobilize you you're just

1705
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,040
stuck you can't move

1706
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:05,440
to me that sucks i don't i think that's

1707
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:07,760
a evolutionary disadvantage

1708
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,520
i would like to level the playing field

1709
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,280
i would like to develop a method

1710
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,520
to prevent this peril paralysis from

1711
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:14,480
happening

1712
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:17,359
so that's another avenue basically is

1713
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:18,960
try to just level the playing field

1714
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,520
because it

1715
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:21,119
the obvious these things obviously have

1716
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,640
advantages over us

1717
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,400
and it's it's not good evolutionarily

1718
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,000
it's not good it's like you know

1719
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,720
it's like uh a tiger versus a zebra but

1720
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,640
let's say the zebra never developed its

1721
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,359
stripes

1722
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,799
in and it levels the playing field

1723
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,480
but imagine if that zebra never leveled

1724
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,079
the playing field you know it was just

1725
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,520
out there without any stripes

1726
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,280
and the tiger could just have its way

1727
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:43,040
with them i feel like that's what's

1728
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:44,319
happening with a lot of these paranormal

1729
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,200
entities

1730
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,640
we're not we it's not a level playing

1731
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,160
field they have a huge advantage of it

1732
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:49,680
of us and i'd like to level the playing

1733
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,000
field

1734
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:52,000
in some ways let me throw this caveat at

1735
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,000
you okay

1736
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:56,799
i i have i believe and i i know there

1737
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,400
are other people that believe this but i

1738
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,599
believe

1739
00:59:03,750 --> 00:59:02,079
that those beings particularly what

1740
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,760
people describe as the greys

1741
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,920
and they come in all kinds of sizes apes

1742
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,880
and such

1743
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,520
yeah i i think they are actually evolved

1744
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,799
humans

1745
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,599
in fact i i believe they they are from

1746
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,119
our future

1747
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,440
and that they had developed a way to

1748
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:19,680
come back

1749
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:23,119
into our reality or our timeline yeah

1750
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,839
and that those abilities that they do

1751
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:27,599
have

1752
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,680
are either some type of hybrid

1753
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,920
be you know hybrid ability that was bred

1754
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:35,280
into them

1755
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:37,760
or it was something that was

1756
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,150
evolutionized they actually

1757
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,799
evolved into something a higher being or

1758
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:48,000
higher

1759
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,280
type of intelligence

1760
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,440
yeah i mean that's that's my theory and

1761
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:57,599
i think it can go both ways i think

1762
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:00,960
i mean it can go back as well uh

1763
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,480
i i believe that you know previous to

1764
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,000
what we are

1765
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,480
there could be beings that have the

1766
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,079
ability then

1767
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:12,960
to move into our reality which is what

1768
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:15,839
may actually be some cryptid activity

1769
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:18,480
yeah of course of course now so you know

1770
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,160
i just wanted to say that

1771
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,720
yeah what is because what is your main

1772
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,319
evidence or what has convinced you that

1773
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:27,359
they are future travelers degrees

1774
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,400
just just that

1775
01:00:34,150 --> 01:00:33,200
they're what they look like when people

1776
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:34,160
see

1777
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:36,480
that even people had no idea what they

1778
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:37,359
were looking at

1779
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:40,839
but their description is very similar uh

1780
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,319
it why they would why they would look so

1781
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:46,240
much the same

1782
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:50,480
why they seem to be the overwhelming

1783
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:53,760
species and i and i

1784
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:56,960
it seems to me that there is a in a

1785
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,240
a good i don't know you know

1786
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,240
this is just this is my personal feeling

1787
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:04,559
i think they probably try

1788
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,160
have tried to come back to try to either

1789
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:10,799
right or wrong or something that caused

1790
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,200
them

1791
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,400
to turn into what they turned into yeah

1792
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,319
you know maybe something maybe there was

1793
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:18,240
a mass nuclear

1794
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:21,760
or biological disaster that

1795
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,920
either screwed them up so bad that they

1796
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,839
had to leave as planned or go someplace

1797
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,400
else

1798
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:29,040
and they evolved into what they are in

1799
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:30,480
our future

1800
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:34,480
and that they are trying to come back

1801
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,040
to either the hybrid you know to hybrid

1802
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:42,079
you know with us to uh you know try to

1803
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:43,040
find some type of

1804
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:46,400
human dna to possibly

1805
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,520
fix certain mutations that have happened

1806
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,280
yes you know i think it's a very

1807
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:53,760
possible i think that's very possible

1808
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,200
you know yeah and you know i as far as

1809
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,039
time travel goes and

1810
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:02,079
going into uh you know folding time and

1811
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,280
space

1812
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:06,240
well if you just look at strength theory

1813
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:07,200
and quantum

1814
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:10,720
computing there there is a good theory

1815
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,599
that that

1816
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:13,920
is a reality and it can be a much more

1817
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,240
reality as time goes by

1818
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,640
and uh i i think that's what we're

1819
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,359
looking at and i think a lot of what we

1820
01:02:26,549 --> 01:02:23,280
experience

1821
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:26,559
uh of these humanoids

1822
01:02:31,029 --> 01:02:28,559
these gray humanoids and there's others

1823
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:31,039
as well other types of humanoids

1824
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,319
may actually be something that has

1825
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,119
evolved from the human species

1826
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,880
yeah okay yeah thank you for explaining

1827
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,240
that yeah that makes a lot of sense

1828
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,319
i've heard it before you know like the

1829
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,640
aerial school encounter in zimbabwe

1830
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:46,319
you know the message the messages they

1831
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:48,160
had were about avoiding technology

1832
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:50,319
they were predicting a disastrous future

1833
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:51,280
for us that's not

1834
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,559
that's not the only time usually when

1835
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,319
they talk to us telepathically that is

1836
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:55,839
the message they have it's like

1837
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,440
you're going down a bad path you're

1838
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:59,280
using technology incorrectly

1839
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:01,839
so that that would make sense and um i

1840
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,200
wonder if there's that could kind of

1841
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:04,799
explain the the family connection you

1842
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:05,280
know how

1843
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,440
certain families are visited over and

1844
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:09,680
over again

1845
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,230
right is there something in the

1846
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:16,480
bloodline something biologically that's

1847
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:18,079
connected to

1848
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:22,000
these future humans uh

1849
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,359
that connects them to these beings

1850
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:27,839
and that yeah and you know i see it all

1851
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,559
the time with

1852
01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:30,480
people who have gone through the

1853
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:32,160
abduction experience or believe they

1854
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,640
have been

1855
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,640
going through the inductive experience

1856
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,640
or have had an encounter

1857
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,960
that it's a continuous thing and it

1858
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:40,960
happens generation by generation per

1859
01:03:45,109 --> 01:03:42,000
generation

1860
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:45,119
yeah and you know you you can you can

1861
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,319
kind of guess what has been going on but

1862
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,079
that may be a very tangible possibility

1863
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,960
sure sure yeah so i mean in that

1864
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,559
instance i mean some of the implications

1865
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,880
are that these guys are probably trying

1866
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,319
to help us they have uh

1867
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:02,480
good intentions but well i don't believe

1868
01:04:06,630 --> 01:04:04,640
it oh you so you think that they don't

1869
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,640
have good intentions

1870
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:08,160
let's put it this way i wouldn't trust

1871
01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:10,240
one okay i've seen a lot

1872
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:14,160
i think i think there are some degrees

1873
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,839
of trust but i think

1874
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,520
for the most part and you know i've been

1875
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,880
involved with this thing with david

1876
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:22,319
eckhart and his

1877
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,000
oh yeah i've heard yeah i've been

1878
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:26,480
hearing about your stuff and uh

1879
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,599
i i think there is an agenda down the

1880
01:04:33,109 --> 01:04:30,799
line i mean

1881
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:33,119
what that is i and that he's not the

1882
01:04:37,109 --> 01:04:34,799
only person i've worked with with this

1883
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,119
you know i have worked with people who

1884
01:04:41,029 --> 01:04:39,200
have just suddenly disappeared

1885
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:41,039
after talking to them they never should

1886
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,880
back up again oh my goodness

1887
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,400
and there's no there's no proof that

1888
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:46,240
they ever that they were

1889
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:48,160
really taken but they just you know

1890
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:49,280
there's no

1891
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,440
evidence that they're around anymore

1892
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:53,200
sure so uh

1893
01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:56,880
i do believe there is an agenda

1894
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:59,359
uh you know from what davis told me i do

1895
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,319
believe that

1896
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:03,520
they have no issues with taking

1897
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,119
biological

1898
01:05:08,710 --> 01:05:07,119
material from humans and disposing of

1899
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:08,720
what else is left

1900
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,839
oh okay you know i think i think that is

1901
01:05:14,789 --> 01:05:12,880
um

1902
01:05:16,470 --> 01:05:14,799
yeah i mean i when people say well i

1903
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:16,480
wish i'd be abducted i'd say

1904
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,400
no you don't i don't think you want to

1905
01:05:22,870 --> 01:05:21,200
be because there's a lot of

1906
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:22,880
you know you hear a lot of things i've

1907
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,640
heard a lot of things and it's not

1908
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:27,039
nothing that i'd want to be i have been

1909
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:28,799
what i believe abducted

1910
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:31,119
i have had lost time i have been shown

1911
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:32,160
some things

1912
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:35,599
okay uh but i don't particularly

1913
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,559
want to do it again sure though nothing

1914
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,960
major happened to me you know

1915
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:43,200
uh and actually the experience was

1916
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:45,760
pretty it was very interesting

1917
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:48,079
uh and i was told a lot of things that

1918
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:49,920
you know i never even thought of before

1919
01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:50,559
but

1920
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,920
i don't want to have i don't want to

1921
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:53,760
happen again okay

1922
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:56,240
yeah so i mean going back to this

1923
01:05:59,270 --> 01:05:57,119
question i was

1924
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,280
this possible project is basically to

1925
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,720
prevent these things from happening

1926
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,559
so developing some kind of method or

1927
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:04,640
technology to prevent these abductions

1928
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,480
and parallelizations that these things

1929
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:08,160
are doing to level the playing field

1930
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:09,440
yeah

1931
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:13,839
that and then see if there is

1932
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:17,039
some type of uh further evidence that it

1933
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,319
may actually be

1934
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:21,119
causing you know some you know helping

1935
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:22,480
or causing

1936
01:06:30,069 --> 01:06:27,039
some type of change right yeah

1937
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,079
cool well i tell you

1938
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:32,079
the hour it flew by and it's going we've

1939
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,680
gone over an hour

1940
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,640
but uh yeah i mean if there's anything

1941
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:38,400
that you want to come up with and

1942
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:40,079
contact me about it i'd be more than

1943
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:41,039
willing

1944
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,319
to talk to you about it and help you

1945
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,880
with it i mean i'm interested in this

1946
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,720
great and if you have any cases that you

1947
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:48,240
need uh you would like to have my

1948
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,960
insights

1949
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,640
if there's anything that's around my

1950
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:52,319
area i'm around you know

1951
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:55,920
south the gulf coast of texas all years

1952
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:59,599
all years okay well i think for coming

1953
01:07:01,829 --> 01:07:00,079
on the show

1954
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,839
it's very interesting i had a blast it

1955
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,680
was great meeting you along

1956
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,839
i had to get your back on again oh i

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01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,520
love it i would love it uh maybe you'll

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progress to the point where i can put

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your name out there too

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yeah we get home we can hope

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well you take care and uh thanks again

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thank you

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goodbye okay now if you have an

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unexplained encounter or sighting feel

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free to contact me through the phantoms

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of monsters blog site

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if you're interested in supporting fans

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of monsters on arcane radio you can use

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the paypal

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donation buttons on the blog and

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newsletter and um

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our youtube channel beyond explanation

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has a lot of new content coming on we've

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got a lot of new shows

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starting check it out and definitely

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subscribe even join i mean we have a

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we have a program there where you can

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join up get first run

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videos and uh and you know it's in its

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infancy but this

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is kind of rolling down the road so uh

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check it out

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you may enjoy i want to again thank uh

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wild trees for joining me this evening

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and i want to thank you for coming